Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln

By Shelley Irwin

Published October 6, 2025 at 10:18 AM EDT

Lucas Morel and Jonathan White join in to talk about their new book.

Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass defined the 19^th century like few others. Lucas Morel and Jonathan White draw on Douglass's writings and speeches and chronicle the orator's eagle eyed scrutiny of Lincoln. We talk to the authors of Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln.

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Shelley Irwin

Shelley Irwin is the host and producer for The Shelley Irwin Show, a news magazine talk-show format on the local NPR affiliate Monday through Friday. The show, broadcast at 9 a.m., features a wide variety of local and national news makers, plus special features.

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